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More Doctors Smoke Camels More Than Any Other Cigarette-I Wonder What They Would Think About Green Homes?

 

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Tweet ThisIt wasn’t that long ago, just 50-60 years or so, that there were doctors on television promoting cigarette smoking. The video below is a t.v. commercial that ran in 1949. The spokesperson boldly states that “doctors in all branches of medicine and doctors from all parts of the country prefer Camel…”

No SmokingAn online resource of tobacco facts states:

About 10 million people in the United States have died from causes attributed to smoking since the first Surgeon General's report on smoking and health in 1964--2 million of these deaths were the result of lung cancer alone.”

Yet, there are millions of people that continue to smoke.

Is it any wonder then that whenever we discover something new or better many of us search for reasons to hold on to the old. We enjoy our way of life and we resist change even when we know it may harm us or cost us in some way.

 

 

Now fast-forward to 2009 and consider the features and benefits of green homes. We now know that there are countless harmful toxins and pollutants in many of the materials used to build our homes. We also know that the air inside the average home is more polluted than the air outside.

According to the USGBC, homes and buildings consume approximately 72% of all electricity, 40% of primary energy use and produce 39% of all carbon emissions in the U.S.

Green homes and buildings significantly reduce energy use (25% - 50%), reduce carbon emissions (33% - 39%), use less water (40%) and produce less solid waste (70%) than non green homes.

QuestionIn sum, we know green homes are healthier, more comfortable and cost less to operate! So what’s up? What is the delay? Why are we not demanding more green homes?

Personally, I think the answers are hidden in the habitual nature of our conditioned patterns of behavior. It took many years for collective public awareness about cigarettes to take hold. It may take us a while to catch on to the issues around green homes.

I know we’ll get there eventually--better sooner than later as far as I am concerned.

I can't help but wonder what future generations will think when they look back at us on the future equivalent of YouTube?

What are your thoughts and feelings on this subject?

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77 commentsJohn Thomas -- EcoBroker, MSEE, MBA • November 20 2009 07:22PM

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Hi John, Yes, it is really sad about all the Camel smokers. My father was one of them.  We did not know how harmful cigarettes were, in the early days.  I do hope the green home housing materials are safe.  They sound excellent

Posted by Ginger Moore (Wilkinson & Associates Realty) 3 months ago

I have never seen a commercial like that. It is amazing that people would produce an ad like that with a straight face. As far as your question goes, it is opportunity cost. Thermo heat systems cost 20-30k. Hard to swallow, even for the benefits.  

Posted by J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip LLC) Westchester County NY 3 months ago

Amazing post! I'm always skeptical about reports of some new amzing discovery that is supposed to be good for you. 10 years later it's always a different story, yikes!

Posted by Scott Taylor, P.A. (Taylor Group Realty International - Orlando) 3 months ago

Great segue, John.  I think the same thing will be going on pretty soon with cell phones.

Posted by Jane Peters Los Angeles Living, Los Angeles Homes (Boulevard Realty) 3 months ago

John:

My mother died of lung cancer and became on of the sad statistics you quote.  She always claimed as did Bill Clinton that she never inhaled.

Posted by Carol Pease ABR, CDPE, CRS, SFR (512) 721-6320 ( Keller Wiliams Realty - Cedar Park, TX ) 3 months ago
"Green homes and buildings significantly reduce energy use (25% - 50%), reduce carbon emissions (33% - 39%), use less water (40%) and produce less solid waste (70%) than non green homes." Wow, this sentence says it all. Very neat summary of the benefits of buying a Green Home.
Posted by Cheryl Ritchie, Southern Maryland Real Estate (RE/MAX 100) 3 months ago

I think it always comes down to money....what is the additional cost of green and what is the recovery period?

Posted by Gary Waters -Real estate agent Viera Suntree Melbourne and Rockledge FL (Bucci Realty www.moving2brevard.com) 3 months ago

This is still so comical. I wonder how all those doctors felt when they later heard the truth.

Posted by Steve Kappre, Gloucester - Camden County NJ Mortgage Loan Officer | 856-419-3561 (Treasury Mortgage | Mortgage Company - New Jersey) 3 months ago
Interesting analogy: As it becomes more common to use the newer product and the cost saving come down in using them we will see eco friendly homes become more commonplace.
Posted by Mary Strang ~ Viroqua, WI Real Estate (RE/MAX Hill Country) 3 months ago

I remember those commercials. It was interesting to me that the only publication that took these commercials to task was the satire magazine Mad. It caught my attention then, and we need that type of bite again against the misinformation. Meanwhile we are lagging behind even countries like Dubai and Abu Dabai who are embracing and producing green technology. Realtors need to get out front and lead on this one.

Posted by Joe Pryor.com Realtor Oklahoma Investment Properties (Redbud Realty) 3 months ago

I  agree- it is availability of green homes and perceived cost of a green home.   Americans will need to ease into this....but I do think we are moving slowly into the more self sufficient lifestyles which will include green homes at some point.  Knowledge is power!   The more people learn of all the bad things in our food and environment one would hope healthier decisions would be made.  For us and the environment.

Posted by Lisa S. Mullins (RE/MAX Results Group) 3 months ago

Great analogy. That youtube video is classic. I laughed so hard coffee came out my nose lol. It's amazing how much our world has changed in not so many years.

We've come a long way, baby!

Posted by Michael Myers (King-Rhodes & Associates) 3 months ago
Steve There is no doubt "green" is the way to go - retrofitting the millions of existing homes is the challenge
Posted by Karen Kruschka - Prince William, Fairfax ,Stafford County VA Real Estate Service (RE/MAX Olympic Realty) 3 months ago

Hi John -- Great post.  Too bad 45 years later 25% of the population still smokes.  I am only marginally familiar with green building, but I remember reading a drawback for adoption is the additional expense.

I am doing some painting now and I only choose Non-VOC paints.  I try to use vinegar and water to clean my floors, and other simple things.  It's probably only a dent, but I try.

Posted by Chris Olsen Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate (Olsen Ziegler Realty) 3 months ago

John, great stuff here.  I can't wait to see the day we "ALL" start living green, not just a select few.  I even get angry when I see the recycle barrels in my neighborhood never used, and/or full of trash and non recyclables.  I am a real stickler on that. 

Posted by Jean Hanley (Allison James Estates and Homes) 3 months ago

Do they smoke the filter or non-filters???  Hahahaha!

Posted by Mark Lebkuchner (Dexter Credit Union) 3 months ago

I've always found it funny that humans are so evolved but so many of us hate change. It's an interesting thing.

Posted by Nathan Tutas (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) 3 months ago

A little more than 10 years ago some organization was mass mailing Realtors the cassett tape(remember them) " Dead Doctors Don't Lie"!!! The basis of it was; very few of them had little or ANY training in the area of nutrition(despite the fact that their patients sought their advice) and had an average lifespan of only 57-58 years !!!

Posted by Michael J. Perry (KELLER WILLIAMS - Lancaster, PA.) 3 months ago

Wow, so many great comments. Thanks everyone. I'll try to address a couple.

Ginger...I'm sorry to hear about your dad. My mom was a heavy smoker too. It seems like we all have learned this lesson together. Some quicker than others.

J. We don't need geo-thermal or pv solar to have a green homes. There is lots of low hanging fruit that can greatly improve energy efficiency and indoor air environment without breaking the bank. A lot of it is about changing the way we approach things and being willing to do things different.

Carol...I'm sorry about your mom. I don't know what's worse, the denial or the disease it can lead to.

Cheryl...You're right, the stats say it all. Hopefully, more people will listen and start to get the message. I have come to realize that by focusing my business on green homes, a big part of my job is about education.

Gary...I understand your point but it's not just the money. Our values have expanded to include social and environmental issues in addition to economic issues. Of course, the economics are important, but when it comes to health, comfort and quality of life, those things have value too. Having said that, the cost savings in monthly energy bills can easily offset the added costs of most green improvements. So when you consider the cost of operations, green homes usually cost less compared to other similar size homes that are not green.

Joe...Very good points. There are many places in the world that are way ahead of us in terms of the efficiency and performance of homes. We'll catch up eventually...until then, we'll need to do our best to promote green home features and benefits every chance we get. Most people don't know, for example, you can use a FHA 203k loan to purchas a home and make green renovation improvements.

Lisa...I totally agree with everything you say. Unfortunately, the cost myth is one of the biggest hurddles to overcome--see my comments to Gary above.

Michael...Funny and sad, and sick at the same time. Careful with that coffee, you may end up with a stained shirt;-)

Chris...It's interesting how we continue to do things that we know are not good for us. It's also interesting that cigarettes are even available given what we know about them.

Jean & Nathan...Many of us resist change until it clubs us over the head.

Michael...It's true, dead doctors, or anyone for that matter, don't lie.

Thanks again everyone...Here's to healthier homes for all of us.

Cheers,

john

 

Posted by John Thomas -- EcoBroker, MSEE, MBA (E3 Green HOMES) 3 months ago

How to Quit Chewing Tobacco: Anyone who has ever tried to quit chewing knows that it is difficult. Doctors are saying that chewing tobacco is even more addictive than smoking. In fact, a person taking 8-10 "chews" a day receive as much nicotine in a day as to a person that smokes 30-40 cigarettes a day. 1. Decide you are going to stop. This is the first step in breaking any habit, and overcoming any addiction, and until you make up your mind to do it, you have little chance of success. 2. Remove the temptation. Chewing tobacco is not as easy to "bum" as are cigarettes and not having any on hand will make it easier to resist the urge. 3. Substitute bubble gum, hard candy, or beef jerky if the desire to have something in your mouth is overwhelming. This will do absolutely nothing for the nicotine craving (the chemical dependency), but it will act as a placebo for your desire to chew. 4. Take a day at a time. Since with most addictions, the first day is usually the hardest, it may help to substitute the nicotine in your tobacco with a nicotine patch or gum, but use this sparingly, and decrease the amount incrementally so that after a reasonable period, you will be completely free of the chemical dependency. 5. Keep yourself busy. Starting to quit this habit when you have a lot of idle time may be difficult, since the idea of having a chew is always right there. If you are involved in something which keeps your mind occupied, there will be less time thinking about what you are missing.

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Posted by stopsmokinghabits about 1 month ago
I do remember the cigarette commercials on tv! Wow how things have changed.
Posted by Bill Buettner (Century 21 HomeStar) about 20 hours ago
You should not put down Doctors to get your political point across.
Posted by Julie about 20 hours ago
That really was something. And the lady looked like she was ready to go to the Ball. But I think smoking is a bit more hazardous to ones health than our current homes. Greener homes are on the way, but I would FIRST advise one to quit smoking, much more harmful. I quit December 4, 2004.
Posted by Scott Baker, ABR e-Pro Realtor in Cincinnati, Ohio areas 513-403-5323 (Coldwell Banker West Shell) about 20 hours ago

Whoa Julie - John didn't 'put down' anyone, and doing things that are good for health and good for the environment isn't political, just common sense. John - I've been hearing about different ways to build homes, cars, and roads since the 1970s and it does all boil down to people's resistance to change and money. People won't even buy paper towels made from recycled material if it costs a dime more. Not many can afford an additional tens of thousands of dollars in a house. I'm looking forward to the day when cleaner, more efficient homes become affordable, and are what home buyers expect when home shopping.

Posted by Joetta Fort - Realtor Denver Colorado Real Estate (The DiGiorgio Group) about 20 hours ago
As others have said, a big obstacle to going green is the additional cost. I think we should demand more green new homes, but the cost to retrofit an existing home is astronomical and out of the reach of most people, regardless of the savings. Hopefully, and probably correctly, as green building becomes more prominent, the cost will go down and the styles will be come more varied.
Posted by Ashby McDonald about 20 hours ago
Interesting thought Julie, i didn't think he was putting down doctors, I thought he was putting down tobacco companies. Anyway, great post John, it would be nice if there was more demand for green features but in America it seems the greenest feature at the top of everyone's list is the green on the dollar bill and until green features on homes regularly result in people believing they will earn more green dollar bills then we are in for a long struggle.
Posted by Jason Burkholder, Broker/Sales Manager, ABR, e-Pro, Lancaster Pa Homes for Sale (Weichert, Realtors - Engle and Hambright) about 20 hours ago
First of all, Julie, this post does not in any way "put down doctors" as you have suggested. Secondly, to speak of better health (whether it refers to the obvious benefits of quitting smoking, or the perhaps not-so-obvious benefits of green living) is not in any way "political" speak--again, as you suggested.
Posted by Cassi @ Knightyme Video Tours (Knightyme Video Tours) about 20 hours ago

I'd walk a mile for a camel, but never ride one for a mile. Great post and I have to agree with Jane at number 4. Cell phones aren't all, anything emitting wireless technology is harming us. It's time we all embraced change... it's inevitable.

Posted by Bob & Bonnie Horning (Homes and Land of Lancaster County) about 20 hours ago
John, you wrote: "Green homes and buildings significantly reduce energy use (25% - 50%), reduce carbon emissions (33% - 39%), use less water (40%) and produce less solid waste (70%) than non green homes." One of the main reasons people should retro-fit and new home bulders should turn green is because of the impeding skyrocketing price of fuel, the onerous applications of "cap and tax" legislation, and municipal taxes on sewer and water. Tax. Tax. Tax. Will it ever stop? If federal, state, and local governments were more responsible with YOUR money, higher prices would not be looming on the horizon. Higher prices will be imposed due to the inablility of governments to handle tax money responsibly, not because of shortages or any significant change in climate, but because of social programs created in the mistaken belief that government is "here to help you." And, what I object to most is using taxpayer dollars to pay eligible people to retro-fit. There is no need to do that. The market will take care of that...due to taxes. After all, energy companies simply pass on their markups to the consumer.
Posted by Barry Blick (Spinnermax, Inc. Real Estate Photography) about 20 hours ago
Hi John, I won't debate the smoking issue but I must say I'm still skeptical about "Green Facts" that get tossed around so much that they become fact simply because they are used so often. Mery much like "Man Made Global Warming", if one were to use suspect data and then cook the books it is easy to come up a theory as wild as you would like. Such as, According to the USGBC, homes and buildings consume approximately 72% of all electricity, 40% of primary energy use and produce 39% of all carbon emissions in the U.S. Green homes and buildings significantly reduce energy use (25% - 50%), reduce carbon emissions (33% - 39%), use less water (40%) and produce less solid waste (70%) than non green homes. Where do they get those "facts" and how could someone in a Breen house produce 70% less solid waste than me in my regular Brown house? I think how much solid waste comes OUT of a house is determined by how much solid material comes IN the house and not what the house is made like. I think we should have a healthy skepticism of Government "Facts". Bryan
Posted by Bryan Anderson at RE/MAX Lake Travis about 20 hours ago
We all want things easy. Not making change is easy. Children are easily changed with consistant repetitive reminders. Then it becomes habit. Look where everything easy has gotten us!We had all better wake up and start working harder in everything we do and make those changes.This is not a dress rehersal!
Posted by Sanna K Thomas PA GRI,TRC,E-Pro,SFR,AHWD Ocala Florida Luxury Homes,Horse Farms (Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty) about 20 hours ago
Advertising the benefits of prescription drugs on television is along the same line. It's all about money and selling products. They even invent these new "diseases" I have never heard of, just to sell a medication for it. Drug advertising should be banned. As regards to green homes, there are alot of low cost options, BUT I have looked into solar panels (which to me are a no-brainer and should be government subsidized) and they are prohibitively expensive. Just like the electric car which was killed in California. The Oil Industry is just too lucrative for many in this country and the big wigs will most likely keep alternative energies/options at bay.
Posted by DEBORAH STONE (REALTY SOURCE-Bankers Hill- San Diego, CA) about 20 hours ago

Doctors smoke camels because they have more nicotine so it will kill them faster. They can't stand that they live a life of shame billing insurance companies 10,000 for an office visit.

Posted by Mark Daniel Adamczyk (ItsYourSale.com) about 20 hours ago

Yes, the world changes and us with it.  At the risk of being a wet blanket here, can we put these "greenhouse gas emissions" concerns behind us?  The head of the study institute in England who initially predicted the melting of the glaciers has now, after the recent revelations of their private emails, said that the earth has actually been cooling since 1995.  Science that has a political agenda is not science.  Anyone heard from Al Gore lately?

Posted by Richard Haworth about 20 hours ago

I certainly think before we start demanding green homes, we try to make efficient the homes we already have. Scottsdale, Arizona is aging rapidly and many homes in the South Scottsdale area have windows from the 1960's! Sometimes changing out windows or insulation in attics and roofs can make a huge difference not only for our health, but also for energy efficiency. A single-pain window in the summer equals an outrageous utility bill. I think generations coming up are starting to demand more energry efficiency and a greener home. But if you can't get get older folks to get with the times...remind them that it's going to hit them in the pocket book!

Posted by Stephanie Kaufman (Re/Max Excalibur) about 20 hours ago
You know, it's interesting that all of a sudden in past few years the "Green" home is so important. Problem is...the darn things cost the earth! But, people are making a lot of money on them! How about something simple we did in the 70's? Does anyone else remember the national 55mph driving speed law? Saved tons of gas...many, many lives...so why not do that again? Well, I have an opinion. This national "Lean to Green" isn't about saving the environment as much as it is about making money.
Posted by Monica Hess (Lizette Realty) about 20 hours ago

Kudos John! I totally agree!

Posted by Anonymous about 20 hours ago
Thanks John. Great post. I agree with many of these comments. It's how we keep our homes throughout our ownership that either helps the environment...or not. I believe the Going Green.....also means keeping our "Castles" as clean, clutter-free and germ-free as possible. Thanks again.
Posted by Mary Ann Varner (Better Homes & Gardens RE Metro Brokers) about 20 hours ago
I love the idea of going green. I have asked numerous buyer clients about their interest in green building...the answer, "It's too expensive". Maybe that's true. But what will be the cost later? Despite the economic downturn, we still live in a bigger is better society. And that mentality certainly applies to housing. Until people wrap their heads around living in the space that they need and scale back their demands for square footage, I don't think that the green building process will take off.
Posted by Jenna Dixon, Assoc. Broker (Dixon Realty Advisors (Atlanta, GA)) about 20 hours ago
My home is as green as it gets. I live in a cave, LOL. I like green for the green it saves people if done with wisdom. As far as the politics of it...
Posted by Mike Gillingham (Eastern Iowa Inspection Services LLC) about 20 hours ago

Cost, cost, cost. Check out today's posts - how many address "correct pricing" as THE most aspect of marketing? Everyone resists higher prices.

I'm not justifying this - just sayin'.

Posted by Margaret Mitchell, York Maine Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Yorke Realty) about 19 hours ago
Going Green cost too much right now. I think it will be a slow process.
Posted by TONY ANDERSON Realtor® Serving Banks, Habersham, White & Hall Counties. (Century 21 Community Realty In Northeast Georgia) about 19 hours ago
First of all - great post. Clever idea and a heading that really drew me in. While you are right about most of us being very slow adapters, there are some great programs that I've heard about that, if implemented could really entice me to act. I heard about a county that would allow you to do an energy efficiency upgrade and get a low interest loan from the county that could be paid back as part of your county tax bill. The good part about this is that if you move and sell your home, the expense stays with the home and the equipment. And, the program did not reduce the amount of rebates. Programs like that would really get me to act.
Posted by Dana Hollish Hill, GRI, Associate Broker (Buyer's Edge Company, Inc.) about 19 hours ago

Excellent post, John - Very interesting TV commercial.... Congrats on your feature!

Debi

Posted by Debi Boucher - "Realtor Showcase" Real Estate Slideshows/ Photographer (Memories DVDs - Realtor Showcase Slideshows) about 19 hours ago

Excellent post, John!

The more things change...

Or should I say, we've come a long way, Baby.

I couldn't help but note that all the doctors featured in the ad were white men. 

 

 

Posted by Robin Kurtz (Long and Foster Real Estate) about 19 hours ago
You have a great analogy, here. I think a lot of people are not demanding "green" homes right now because of the additional up-front cost. Even if it will save money over the next few years, people still want to get "the most house for the money."
Posted by Nicole Donaghy (ERA Wilder Realty, Lexington SC) about 19 hours ago

Not to mention how many agents have changed their minds too! Back when AR first started janeAnne and I were about the only agents talking about green houses. We caught our fair share of flack too. Agents thought it was just a fad, another angle........have the times changed!

Posted by Dena Stevens ~ Associate Broker, Realtor,CSP, SFR (Colorado Western Real Estate) about 19 hours ago
At this point in time, the technology is not there. How do you expect to go from fuels that have served us well for over one hundred years to solar power and so called “green” homes overnight? As far as the ad goes, there was a time when alcohol was said to be bad for you, and now it’s promoted on all the sports shows and advertised on T.V. as the “cool” thing to do. Why are “they” not required to post the horrible effects of alcohol on their advertisements and bottles? If you want rid of tobacco, get rid of alcohol too. I think they tried that in the 1920’s. Maybe you read about it, it didn't work. Why stop at that, get rid of donuts, candy, coke, butter, milk, eggs, coffee, etc, etc, etc. Do you get the picture? Let people make their own decisions.
Posted by Larry Bunch about 19 hours ago

All one has to do is go visit a hospital and step outside in the break area and see that there are still a lot of health practitioners still smoking. 

Also in regards to the green houses I have worked with several builders in the past that added green updgrades but the general public is not willing to pay the extra cost for something they can not see or touch.  They still compare a "green builders" home prices to a non- green builder and expect them to drop the price all most people see is the visual structure not the actual amenities.

Posted by United Realty of Texas about 19 hours ago

We the people often need to be pushed into doing what's right--for us and for the environment. Government mandates forced auto companies to build more fuel efficient cars; Surgeon General Koop insisted on getting warning labels on cigarettes; our local communities are mandated to cut down on the amount of garbage going to landfills. Once a tipping point is reached, we become much more willing to embrace the change.

Hope this will be the way of green homes, too.

Posted by Lottie Kendall, CA DRE#01215160 Seniors Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Today) about 19 hours ago

It sounds a little like you're preaching to the choir here.  I'm not going to take you on in the cigarette argument, but all the comments about green buildings are chiming in with your comments.  This bothers me.  Yes.  There have been environmentalists around for about 30 years encouraging us to be more responsible stewards of our environment.  I whole-heartedly agree with taking better care of the world around us.  But when it takes on a political nature and has a politically charged moniker attached to it, it starts getting weird.  It starts taking on a radical religious life of its own.  "Green"

I'll admit I don't have my green designation (probably because just the name bugs me).  Maybe you learn all those statistics in the designation classes, but when people start stating statistics, my head gears start moving.  From where do those statistics come?  What were the parameters?  What were the controls?  Etc., etc.  Anyone can make any statistics say what they want them to say.

I know I'm probably starting to sound like an eccentric fool to some of you, but there have been times when everyone jumped on the band wagon because all the cool kids were doing it only to discover later that, um, maybe that wasn't the right thing to do.  I don't feel like I'm making much sense here and I'm rambling.  But maybe you can pull my thoughts together to understand since I apparently can't.  I just had to say something.  Maybe I'm just the tempest in the pot - playing devil's advocate, but sometimes the solution is worse than the problem.  Are we jumping headlong into shark infested waters or are we studying as we go and making informed decisions?  Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Posted by Brenda Givan - Centennial, CO Realtor (Home Real Estate) about 19 hours ago
It is so true about Green Homes. The current issue is convincing home buyers to pay that extra amount up front for a green home. It is true the savings are there in the long run with cheaper energy and water bills, however, it seems the mentality is still in buying the least expensive house not the most efficient home at a slight higher cost. Hopefully, time and knowledge will change this thought process.
Posted by Debbie Rumsey (Sea Coast Exclusive Properties, Encinitas, CA) about 18 hours ago
My home is white w/red brick. I do have a couple of green rooms. I don't think my kids would use less energy if my whole house were green... Just going for comedic relief, maybe not funny. The point is, it will take time, effort and EVIDENCE to convince people to spend more now to save later. Good post....got foks talking!
Posted by Brian about 18 hours ago

First, make sure that we're not tearing down perfectly good homes that were built to last in order to build "green" homes.  Consider that the greenest thing to do is to NOT waste the materials that were used to build a home that is still standing (and was likely designed for sustainability because it was built before air conditioning was a gleam in someone's eye). Then, look at how those homes were designed and take a page from their book - we live in an early 1900's house and rarely turn on our AC (window units, not central air, which we don't need), in Central Texas where it gets HOT, before late June/early July, simply because the house was sited properly and the windows open and were placed for the best airflow through the house and we don't NEED air conditioning until the temps reach the triple digits.  

By the way, don't assume that everything you "know" (or are told) about smoking, for example, is the absolute truth, any more than greenwashing is.  For example, a recent study was done on the fact that 80% of smokers do NOT get lung cancer (bet you haven't heard that statistic bandied about much, if at all, have you?); turns out there's a genetic component that makes 20% of people who smoke more likely to get lung cancer (and more likely to get it whether or not they smoke, by the way, though it does influence how their body processes nicotine).  The benefit of this highly politically incorrect (in our current climate) research is that now that that statistic was acknowledged, and studied, and the genetic factor found, we have a clue that might help prevent lung cancer.

 

Posted by Tricia Jumonville, EcoBroker®, ASP® (ERA Colonial Real Estate) about 18 hours ago
The cover story in Preservation, the magazine of the National Trust for Historic Preservation for March/April 2010 is OLD IS THE NEW GREEN. It has a story about how retrofitting the Empire State Building is saving money. You can read about it on PreservationNation.org, their website.
Posted by Carolyn Roland-Your Delaware and Chester County Historic Homes Specialist (Patterson-Schwartz & Assoc., Inc.) about 18 hours ago

Hi John,

As I understand testimonial advertising rules, the FTC assumes that people know it's an advertisement and that the testimonial is being given by a paid actor who may not personally have the experience.  Just as Lindsay Wagner may or may not have ever slept on a Sleep Number bed, the "doctor" may never have smoked a Camel in his life.  Apparently testimonial advertising is very effective though because it seems that's mostly what we see and hear these days.

Posted by Richard T Dolbeare (RA), ABR, CRS, RSPS, BS/MS - Engineering Hawaii Dreams Today (Keller Williams Realty) about 18 hours ago

I guess since they could not get Walter Cronkite to promote their product a fake doctor was the next best thing.

Posted by Richard Weeks, REALTOR®, Broker Associate, GRI, ePRO, eAgent (Bill Griffin Real Estate) about 18 hours ago

what a hilarious video....crazy, crazy....kind of like when we thought the Earth was flat and then when someone spoke up, he got into some big trouble.


Great post!

 

Thanks for sharing :-)

Posted by Tamara Dorris (Davis & Davis ) about 18 hours ago

Ahhh John...

You may want to rethink that profile image. You look like you're standing in front of a cannabis plant. Not that I would know what a cannabis plant looks like :)

TLW...ROAR!

Posted by "The Lovely Wife" (Broker Bryant's Wife) The One And Only TLW. (Co-Owner Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) about 18 hours ago

Interesting, thought provoking post John:

Here in Northern Virginia, we have definitely seen a lowering of demand for McMansions

Also, energy efficiency and the associated utility bills seem to be a definite selling point for those of modest means.

Thanks,

Johnny Yankoviak

Posted by Johnny "Culdesac" Yankoviak (Weichert Realtors) about 18 hours ago

Hi John,  Good point.  We do tend to stay with that which is most well known to us.

Posted by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor (Century 21 Tripower Realty) about 17 hours ago

Great article John! Sad, but I remember that commercial from my childhood, as my father smoked Lucky Strikes (non filter) and passed from emphysema at 73.

Posted by Mitch Muller (Pro-Stead Realty Charlotte, NC CRS CDPE mitch@prostead.com) about 17 hours ago

John, did you ever hear the saying, hindsight is 20/20. You are doing a great job of Monday morning quarterbacking. I am sure the doctors who made that commerical believed what they were saying. It is so easy to act like a know it all after the fact.

Boulder City Steve

Posted by Anonymous about 17 hours ago

Careful, I think I hear 9 out 10 Realtors prefer green homes coming.  In our quest to make homes safer, more fireproof, less likely to fall down in an earthquake, easier to clean, etc etc etc we have introduced things into the air that are potentially harmful.

The statistical question remains, are more lives being saved by the innovations that have been introduced then those that die from the unintended consequences?  I think I know the answer but I am not sure.  And are those people safer, and or, better off in their own home which they can afford, that is built conventionally then in the home of a landlord paying rent on a home that is much more expensive but theoreticly healthier that they can not afford?

This is a lot like vaccination isn't it?  Hundreds of Millions saved from epidemics that maim or kill but a handful suffer from unintended consequences from a vaccine and an urban myth that vaccinations cause autism is born and spreads like wildfire.

Its not a simple problem at all

Posted by Scott Leaf Real Estate Marketing & Associates (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Port Coquitlam, BC) about 17 hours ago

Nice post John,

Having done a lot of remodeling, general interest in building and I happen to be born over in Skandihoovia... So I grew up with a few things, and I know a bit about glues... 

What I am surprised about is the skepticism that comes with this - although I suppose, that is no surprise at all. 

I think what we need is more simple things people can do, I am watching a platinum certified residence go up, first in CA... BUT - that does cost some money, and it is a different mindset when building like that. 

However, there are lots of things people can do when they build and after... just adding film to the windows to upgrade them, makes a difference... Maybe the calculations could show how that changes our footprint, from less heating and cooling. 

Keep it rolling.

Posted by Terkel Sorensen (Century 21 Award - Redhawk) about 17 hours ago

Hi John,

It all makes perfect sense but the initial costs, for most people, don't make enough ROI sense.  Or is that "cents"?

Posted by Eugene Adan, N. San Diego County Homes, Adan Properties about 16 hours ago

I do not know the source of all the stats, but cost efficiency and numbers like that can be subject to interpretation.  I do know the effort to make homes more energy efficient has caused a lot of the mold problems and issues with internal air quality.  Homes can register higher interior levels of mold or toxins just due to lack of air flow and things settling in the carpet. 

I think there is tech that is coming along that will make what is being offered now seem very expensive.

Posted by Gene Riemenschneider East Contra Costa Home Sales 01492725 (Area Pro Realty People's Choice) about 16 hours ago

A lot of Green home features don't cost anything- such as using passive solar in site orientation.  Put in native plants in the landscape to reduce water usage.  You don't have to go crazy and put in every Green feature known to man, unless your buyer wants it and can afford it.  I'd love to have geothermal- it would reduce my heating and air costs significantly, but it is a longer payback.  I can still lower my energy costs by updating my insulation, caulking, and putting in a new HVAC with a higher SEER rating.  None of those things would be excessive in cost, and if I go to sell my home in the future, I wouldn't be worried about low appraisal.  Let's hope Homestar passes so more people can afford to do energy efficiency upgrades...

Posted by Trish Sarfert (EcoLogical Realty, LLC) about 16 hours ago
Great subject. I know there are probably many useful new technologies available for the housing market and I believe they will be implemented in due time once they become economically viable. I am skeptical, however, whenever I see the terms "good for the environment" or "reduce carbon emissions" used to promote an idea. I still can't understand how anyone can believe the air they breath out and the air plants breath in is bad for the environment. Especially in light of the recent events referred to as "climate-gate". Just like the analogy where doctors were used in advertisements to convince people to part with their money to smoke cigarettes, the use of these "feel good" phrases connected with the eco-movement is just marketing, to convince people to willing give up their wealth for a product, who's appeal, is built on misinformation and sometimes lies.
Posted by Jeff Riggs about 15 hours ago
Great subject. I know there are probably many useful new technologies available for the housing market and I believe they will be implemented in due time once they become economically viable. I am skeptical, however, whenever I see the terms "good for the environment" or "reduce carbon emissions" used to promote an idea. I still can't understand how anyone can believe the air they breath out and the air plants breath in is bad for the environment. Especially in light of the recent events referred to as "climate-gate". Just like the analogy where doctors were used in advertisements to convince people to part with their money to smoke cigarettes, the use of these "feel good" phrases connected with the eco-movement is just marketing, to convince people to willing give up their wealth for a product, who's appeal, is built on misinformation and sometimes lies.
Posted by Jeff Riggs about 15 hours ago

Hi John,

Great post. My favorite saying about a new home, if you can smell it, chances are it's toxic.

Paul

Posted by Paul Smith (Prudential California Realty (Tahoe City)) about 14 hours ago
I also remember those ads, as far as green homes, most people know that a green home is environmentally better than a traditional home. Their first question in the discussion though is the cost, which is cheaper and by how much. Until we can make a green home significantly cheaper than a non-green home and with the same amenities of a traditional home the general populace won't buy green.
Posted by Anonymous about 13 hours ago

It's hard to explain the benefits of paying more for a green house.  It's much easier to let them just stare at a pretty granite countertop or high-end appliances while you're explaining a price difference.

Posted by Bill Petrey (AgentHarvest - Free Real Estate Agent Finder Service) about 12 hours ago

A green house should only cost 1% to 3% more to build. The payback comes very quickly for that small differential. We visited a moderately priced new housing development near Pottstown, PA. Prices about $250 to $275. When the first 35 homes were built, the developer moderated the design to go green for only about $1500 more. The newer homes were 50% more energy efficient! A new Harvard study says that for every dollar in energy savings, the value of the house goes up $11 to $20. The math says it all.

Posted by Zeta Cross about 11 hours ago
Zeta 1-3%? In which climatic zone? It costs a lot more in the northern zones then in the southern and the payback is less due to sun angle in the Winter. I have seen projects here that claim Eco Friendliness from everything like on demand hotwater tanks to bamboo floors. This just doesnt compute and the premium being charged has to be amortized while the energy savings can not be. The single greatest thing a homeowner can do is to install an energy efficient heat pump in our climate and that costs at least 1-3% of a home cost, probably a lot more. Is this enough to be deemed Green? I think not, keep racking up the tab quite a bit more in my experience. The average home here is very high priced compared to most of the markets you are in so the percentages musts be much higher for most of you. BTW I live in a very efficient home, heat pump, on demand water, windows designed to maximize sun angle (provide heat and light in Winter and cooling and shade in the Summer). My energy bills are half of what I payed at my former home that was half the size and only 5 years old. The Greenies would have me believe that I use too much wood that is not sustainable among other things and that my house is not Green or Enviro friendly. I think we should not use these ambiguous terms, energy efficiency is measurable and standardized, Greenism is not and sometimes seems to be more of a political doctrine then Science.
Posted by Scott Leaf Real Estate Marketing & Associates (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Port Coquitlam, BC) about 7 hours ago

Here are my thoughts.

Why are we not in flying cars yet? What happened to the Jetsons? LOL

What happened to the automated kitchen?

Do you remember those commercials?

I know, I'm a little off topic here. But I have a good reason. I completely agree with you and I think you made the point very clearly and I couldn't add to it. Human nature is to resist change. Which is kind of ironic considering change and evolution led to humans inhabiting the Earth. Nice one.

Posted by Nathan Tutas (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) about 7 hours ago
Nice post John, but look how long it has taken just to get everyone into recycling and sadly, I don't believe they feel in the need in many parts of our country even now. It is all about awareness and knowing what's even available to us. DeeDee
Posted by DeeDee Riley (Lyon Real Estate) about 4 hours ago

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